In this episode Doug gets schooled on the Secular Voices Survey by Dr. Juhem Navarro-Rivera from Socioanalitica Research. Secular voters are more than atheist and agnostic and they are more political and more progressive than white Christian nationalists. Secular voters also are more concerned about the response to COVID-19. Dr. Navarro-Rivera also touches on the Latinx vote. Voters for Trump tended to come from countries where they were richer and a higher social class than Latinx voters in Arizona which went for Biden.